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7 v.2 - You may have noticed that lately I have dwelled on this theme a little, but here we have God arranging the circumstances so that the people would give him the glory. He doesn't always do that, but here he is giving them a chance. We need to learn that it is never of ourselves that we do anything but by God, and constantly thank him for his blessings. 1Sam.14:6, 2Chr.14:11, Zech.4:6, 12:7, 1Cor.1:27-29, 2:4,5.
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
7 v.13 - And so it was that Yahweh put a dream in a man's head and then ensured that he spoke to his fellow just at the right time so that Gideon could hear and be encouraged. What a wonderful God Gideon had. He is also our Father.
7 v.15 - And being assured in his own mind Gideon wastes no time. Strong in faith now he springs into action before doubts can set in again.
8 v.3 - Oreb and Zeeb pass into use in Psalm 83 as a mark of Yahweh's deliverance. Zebah and Zalmunna are only to be found in Judges and Psalm 83 [Judges 8:5 6 7 10 12 15 18 21 Psalm 83:11] Remember that both the Deborah incident and Gideon took place in the same area - the Jezreel valley.
8 v.4-10 - By tracing on a map these locations it is possible to see where Zebah and Zalmunna went and the sort of terrain that Gideon pursued them across.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
8 v.16 - The men of Succoth were taught a lesson. We are constantly reminded in Scripture of the need to learn the lessons that we are similarly taught. God constantly chastens us in the way of a good Father. It is up to us to respond - or better still, behave in a way in the first place which prevents the chastening being necessary, as indeed these men could have done so easily.
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
We noticed links between Deborah and Barak (Chapter 4) and Psalm 83 Here are some more links with this area of Scripture
Oreb Zeeb
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The wayward Israelite woman of Isaiah 3 is described as wearing Midianitish adornments
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Isa 3:21 rings (same word)
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Isa 3:21rings (same word)
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Isa 3:211 rings (same word)
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Isa 3:19 chains (same word)
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Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
7:3 The provision 'whosoever is fearful … depart' is a provision of the law of Moses (Deut 20:8). That so many returned on this occasion gives an indication of the fear amongst the nation.
8:10 Consider the odds. Judg 7:16 shows Israel had 300 men. Here we see the Midianites had 120,000 - odds of 400 to 1. Clearly the victory belonged to Yahweh.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 Reply to Peter
7:22 The Lord does not require assistance from man. The enemy fought amongst themselves whilst Israel watched. On two other occasions 1Sam 14:20 2Chron 20:23 the same thing happened.
8:33 As soon as Gideon was dead the true state of the individuals in the nation was manifest. Is our faithfulness only superficial, encouraged by the commitment of another. Or is our faith strong enough to stand on its own.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to Peter
7:7 It is scarcely possible to conceive a more severe trial than the command to attack the overwhelming forces of the enemy with such a limited number of followers. But, Gideon's faith in the divine assurance of victory was steadfast, and it is for this he is so highly commended. Heb 11:32
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to John
There's a great "type" in the account of Gideon. Many were called, but few were chosen; the water test separated the thoughtful from the rest; then, as when Christ comes, the trumpets sounded; the lights shone up in the sky; the action was totally unexpected; and the action happened in the Valley of Jezreel, or Armageddon.
David Simpson [Worcester (UK)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to David
7:12 The Midianites were descended from Midian the son of Abraham by Keturah (Gen 25:2); and the Amalekites were descended from Amalek, Esau's grandson (Gen 36:12). At some point, the Midianites amalgamated with the Ishmaelites and became one and the same (Gen 37:28).
Yahweh hated the Midianites for their complicity with the Moabites in persuading Israel to worship Baal-Peor (Num 25:1-18).
After Yahweh punished Midian at the hand of Gideon, they never again opposed Israel.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 Reply to Michael
In the space of one day Israel was delivered from an oppressor which was as the sand on the seashore in number (8:13, 7:12). No one could have predicted this or believed it, and the natural scepticism the situation demanded was demonstrated in the people of Succoth and Penuel (8:6-8). Joshua, however, took a very dim view of their unbelief in the saving arm of God, scourging them with thorns and briers. The record says that he taught them a lesson (8:16). I wonder what the lesson was? God had declared that these nations would be thorns in their sides (2:3). Was Gideon saying to them "this is what you'll get if you don't help remove those whom the LORD commanded you to remove?".
Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2005 Reply to Rob
7:10 Men of faith can also be fearful – the Lord is aware of that and so makes provision for man’s fears.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Peter
8:1 The men of Ephraim complain that they were not involved from the beginning of the battle – but they had not done anything to mitigate the Midianite onslaught before Gideon arose to deliver Israel. This is one of a number of incidents in the book of Judges which shows that the nation were fragmented and each tribe self seeking. Hardly a good attitude for the ecclesia!
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Peter
8:22 The peoples unbounded admiration and gratitude towards Gideon prompted them, in the enthusiasm of the moment, to raise their deliverer to a throne, and establish a royal dynasty in his house. But, Gideon knew that the God of Israel was the supreme ruler over the nation, and refused to entertain the thought. Personal and family ambition was cheerfully sacrificed to a sense of duty, and every fleshly motive was kept in check by a supreme regard to the Divine honour. He would willingly act as judge, but the Lord alone was King over Israel.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to John
Gideon as a possible echo of Christ - Part 2
We have in the story of Gideon an emphasis on 3 or multiples of 3 which suggests divine perfection and/or the sacrifice and resurrection which offers us hope. Judg 7:3,4,5,6,8,9,13,16,19,20,22,25; 8:4,12,18,19,28,33,35 -- 7:3 those without faith are not selected, many are called but few are chosen; 7:4 God does the choosing and purifying ["try" (KJV) Heb. "tsaraph" (6884) means "refine, fuse, cast, pure, purge away, try", etc.]; 7:5 many are called and read the word and/or get baptised but few are chosen; 7:6 maybe those who lap the water are more alert and discerning of the word or perhaps it refers to the Gentiles/dogs who were further from the word who mainly were chosen later to follow Christ; 7:8 this is not unlike the parable of the talents (Matt 25:14-30) where we are entrusted to make the best use of our talents; 7:9 Christ will come like a thief in the night (1Thess 5:2); 7:13 barley bread was the bread of the poor used in times of famine, the barley harvest precedes the wheat harvest, and Christ is the bread of life (John 6:35) who will smash like a stone (Dan 2:34,44,45) the worldly empires in a time of spiritual famine and establish his kingdom on earth; 7:16,19 perhaps our bodies are empty jars/vessels with the torches being the teachings of light that lead to eternal life (1Cor 3:16), trumpets as in the day of resurrection/judgement (1Cor 15:51-52), and the trumpets of the Jubilee which is the freedom from bondage and a possible reference to the millennium with freedom from sin and death; 7:20 once again the mention of 3, (compare with the concept of light, Christ in us and the resurrection 2Cor 4:4-10; Eph 5:14); 7:22 (compare with Eze 38:21 where God reveals his might and glory to the nations); 7:25 "Oreb" and "Zeeb" ["Oreb" means "raven" and "Zeeb" means "wolf" according to Smith's Bible Dictionary] perhaps suggest unclean and predatory (sometimes in sheep's clothing) evil/sin killed by the rock Christ who offered his blood; 8:4 perhaps this refers to baptism; 8:12 perhaps this refers to Armageddon or those responsible who are rejected at judgement or the final battle over sin; 8:18,19 Gideon like a prince and also perhaps a reference to those in Christ who fell away and lost their eternal life to the pull of sin; 8:28 perhaps an echo of peace in the millennial age and perhaps a probation period for those who will be taught in that age to come; 8:33 Israel and perhaps other people largely ignoring Christ's true teachings; 8:35 kindness not shown to those who follow Christ .
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Charles
Yahweh called Gideon to defeat the Midianites. However, Gideon needed (and received) a lot of assurance before he was willing to act (see Judges Ch. 6). Once convinced, he put his trust in Yahweh and a successful outcome was accomplished.
8:23 After the Midianites were crushed, the men of Israel wanted Gideon to rule over them. He refused. His response seems noble, but was actually dismissive.
8:27 Gideon promptly constructed and ephod and led Israel into idolatry.
Having just been the recipient of Yahweh's demonstrated power, Gideon did a 180-degree turn to faithlessness. Wickedness is inbred in all humankind (Jer 17:19). If Gideon could turn so can we. Therefore, let us take care (1Cor 10:12).
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Michael
Judg 7:19 The record is very specific – at the beginning of the middle watch’ Now as the watch wears on the sentries become more tired and careless. But the attack was when the sentries were fresh and alert.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2007 Reply to Peter
8:2-3 Gideon’s conciliatory attitude defused the problem demonstrating the proverb ‘a soft answer turneth away wrath’ – Prov 15:1
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Peter
8:26 The value of the gold earrings alone (approx. 40lbs in weight), at today's values, would exceed $500,000.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Michael
7:2 God had promised - Num 13:2 - that He would give Israel the land. Therefore there was no need for an army. Israel needed to be reminded of that as their anxiety about the Midianites was their number. But Israel had been told – Lev 26:8 - that if they were faithful a small number would chase a large army.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Peter
7:2,7 Yahweh wanted to demonstrate His power. And so, out of 32,000 men of Israel only 300 were chosen by Gideon to confront the might of the Midianite army who were as grasshoppers for multitude (6:5; 7:12). Man or beast would not be able to deliver Israel (Psa 33:1; Psa 146:3). But, confidence in Yahweh could (Psa 18:2).
7:13 This God-inspired dream gave Gideon the tactics he needed to defeat the Midianites. Barley was the food of the poor and of beasts. The barley bread represented the 300 Israelite soldiers. Its significance was to show that, with such a humble element, Yahweh could defeat the sophisticated masses of Midian (7:14).
7:16-22 Note the similarity of Gideon’s campaign with that of Abraham’s in his rescue of Lot from invading kings (Gen 14:8,9,12). Abraham had 318 men who he divided in the night (Gen 14:14,15). He successfully defeated the enemy and rescued Lot and the others (Gen 14:16). We are not told of Abraham’s tactics but we can be sure that Yahweh’s heavenly army fought with him to secure victory.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Michael
8:23 The idea of Israel having a king raises its head here – maybe for the first time – as can be seen from Gideon’s response. Sadly the nation’s desire was still pursued and Gideon’s son was made king – Judg 9:6
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Peter
7:6 We may wish to see some significance in the way that the 300 were selected as if you imply that their alertness was the key to their selection. I suggest that their alertness was irrelevant as the deliverance would be of God. They were selected because they were the least. That was the point of the selection – to reduce the size of the army so that the deliverance would be seen to be God’s.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2011 Reply to Peter
BEHAVIOUR OR ATTITUDE
"No sooner had Gideon died, than the Israelites again prostituted themselves to the Baals." (Judg 8:33) It seems that Gideon was quite an amazing leader. From the time he was called by God to tear down his father's altar to Baal, up until the time he died, Gideon appears to have been an inspirational leader, keeping the people from the influence of Baal worship. No doubt both his example, his authority and his teaching helped keep the people from worshipping Baal.
Although Gideon had success while he was alive, it seems that the real issues were not addressed. "No sooner had Gideon died, than the Israelites again prostituted themselves to the Baals." Whatever Gideon did or however he led Israel, he made no lasting impact. We cannot be sure, but it appears that Gideon must have positively affected the behaviour of the people, but had little or no success in changing their hearts.
Behaviour is easy to change with an appropriate system of rewards and punishments. But changing attitudes is a much harder task. Gideon's influence was a good one, but we need to aim higher still. Let us aim, not only to influence others to godly behaviour, but also to turn hearts and lives toward the Lord - lives that will continue living for God long after our influence has gone.
Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2011 Reply to Robert
7:23 The mention of the limited number of tribes who pursued the Midianites is one of a number of occasions in the time of the Judges when, it would appear, only a small proportion of the nation was involved in a battle. This may indicate apathy or it may indicate that the Judges worked locally amongst local tribes.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Peter
8:33-34 We see the perverse nature of the children of Israel in the way that they forgot the deliverance that Gideon had wrought. It is all too easy for us to forget the kindnesses of others after we have benefited.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Peter
Judg 7:24-25 - in Judges 7:24 we have the waters of "Bethbarah"<1012> which is very possibly the same place as "Bethabara"<962> (where John was baptizing and met Jesus John 1:28); in Judges 7:25 we have mention of a winepress perhaps echoing Christ's sacrifice and the cut off unclean heads of "Oreb"<6159> and "Zeeb"<2062> which perhaps remind us of the (Gen 3:14-15) blow to the head of the seed of the serpent (2 heads perhaps representing both Jew and Gentile sin given a mortal blow ?).
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Charles
7:25 This deliverance from the hand of Midian is spoken of –Isa 9:4 – as a word of encouragement. God’s dealing with His people serves to encourage His people to believe that He will continue to act in their lives.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2014 Reply to Peter
Judges chapter 7 - letting the light shine
Judg 7 – Under God’s direction, Gideon divided 300 hundred men into three groups of 100. The hand of the Lord was to be with them to defeat the Midianites in the middle watch, that is, during the darkest hours of the night (10.00pm-2.00am). They were to blow their trumpets, smash their pitchers and their cry was to be, “The sword of the Lord and of Gideon.” (Judg 7:20). Light was suddenly to burst upon the darkness of the camp of sleeping Midianites.
The Apostle Paul compares the preaching of the Gospel to this event.
God commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus.
Judges 7 |
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v.9 “Arise for I will deliver them into thine hand.” |
v.6 “God commanded…” |
v.19 “middle watch”, “blew the trumpets”, “brake the pitchers” |
v.6 “commanded the light to shine out of darkness…” |
v.10-11, 14 “hear what they say and afterwards thine hands shall be strengthened…”. “into Gideon’s hand hath God delivered Midian”. |
v.6 “Shined in our hearts…” |
v.17 “look on me and do likewise…”. “as I do so do ye.” |
v.6 “the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” |
v.20 “cried, The sword of the Lord and of Gideon”. |
v.6 “Give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” |
v.16 “lamps within pitchers” (i.e clay pots). |
v.7 “Treasure in earthern vessels…” |
v.20 “The sword of the Lord (first) and of Gideon” (second). |
v.7 “Excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.” |
Judg 8:1-2 Ephraim “chided Gideon sharply”. |
v.8 “We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed, perplexed but not in despair.” |
Judg 8:4-6,8 No support from men of Succoth or Penuel. |
v.9 “Persecuted but not forsaken, cast down, but not destroyed;” |
We can see that the Book of Judges is relevant for us today to learn from the examples of the faithful judges in Israel, because we also live in a period of time when every man does that which is right in the own eyes, (Judges 21:25).
Peter Moore [Erith, UK] Comment added in 2014 Reply to Peter
8:21 When we realise that Zeba and Zalmunna are mentioned in Psa 83:11 we should consider that Psalm in the context of Gideon’s victory.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2015 Reply to Peter
7:24 There are three times that the crossing place on the Jordan is mentioned in Judges. Here and Judg 3:28, 12:5 clearly a strategic place which, if controlled, prevented access into the land of Israel from Moab.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2016 Reply to Peter
8:23 A man of lesser spirituality would have jumped at the opportunity to rule the nation. After all Gideon was their national hero. However he understood that the Lord was their kind. He had no ambition to kingship because he understood his true status.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2017 Reply to Peter
8:11 When the record says the host was “secure” we should understand that they were confident that they were safe where they were. Lev 25:18 translates the word as “safely”
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2018 Reply to Peter
“… And the LORD said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place.”
Contrary to popular belief, success is not measured by numbers. Numbers can catastrophically damage our view because they distort the Biblical view of success. Thankfully, Scripture gives the antidote to our misguided ideas of success, and that is, success is measured in terms of faithfulness. It is not about how big an ecclesia is or gets, or how many books they write, or have a popular radio show, or any combination of these. This is human-centered success. The God-centered success of any ecclesia is measured by how good the quality of worship is.
Brother Robert Roberts wrote: “THE smallness of the number of those who are known as ‘Christadelphians’ is often a subject of contemptuous allusion. It is perfectly natural it should be so. The importance of a community, in all ordinary human calculations, is measurable by numbers. It has never been so in Divine directions. The multitude has always been in an unacceptable attitude towards God, and He has always spoken disparagingly of the stress that men put on numbers. Men incline to glory in numbers, and this is always offensive to God. Gideon had to reduce his 32,000 to 300 before God would deliver Israel by his hand, ‘Lest Israel vaunt themselves against me, saying, Mine own hand hath saved me’ (Jud. vi. 2). David sinned grievously in numbering Israel for the glory of the thing (2Sam. xxiv. 10). When people have asked a census of the Christadelphians, we have always felt the powerful objections arising out of these considerations. ‘How many are we?’ Leave that alone. Our position does not depend on that, and might even be destroyed by that. ‘He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.’”
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2018 Reply to Valerie
7:2,4 Notice, especially in :2 that the people are too many for God. Doubtless Gideon thought the more he had the better. He needed to learn the lesson that God can save with few or many.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2019 Reply to Peter
8:25the chapter division here is arbitrary and unhelpful. The events of tomorrow’s readings flow on and are a consequence of what we have read in this chapter.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2020 Reply to Peter
8:6 the princes of Succoth were unwilling to give Gideon and his men sustenance as they were fearful that Gideon would not succeed in their pursuit of Zeba and Zalmunna. Heir fear being that Zeba and Zalmunna would return and attack them for giving sustenance to Gideon and his men
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2021 Reply to Peter
The greatest lesson we take from Gideon and his 300 army men is: “Obedience is better than sacrifice” (1Sam 15:22). Try and picture what the odds were for Gideon and his army of 32,000 men against an army of 135,000 men. Then, 22,000 left, leaving Gideon with 10,000 men to fight this Israelite-hating Medianite army (Judg 8:10)! But, God tells Gideon 10,000 are still too many to fight against 135,000 and a further test was given eliminating all but 300 men! Sometimes we fail to grasp the magnitude of the situation Gideon and his men faced. It took a tremendous amount of faith, trust, and obedience to carry out a mission of fighting the cruel, magnanimous Medianite army (Judg 6:2-10) with just 300 of them!
The test God gave to eliminate most of the 10,000 men is peculiarly a military one. The 300 men who drank from cupped hands and lapped like dogs were not on guard against a sudden attack; they were the least of the remainder 9,700 who got down on their knees to drink. This posture from a battle point of view enabled them to stay alert to their surroundings, yet God rejected them! The victory was not about might, not about strength or strategy, but of God who gives the victory (Judg 7:22). The lappers, not the kneelers, were those chosen and were the least likely to have been picked by man, yet were the elite of God! Their confidences were not in the arm of flesh, but in the arm of God (cf. 2Chron 32:8). Thus, God magnified His role in the victory and the victory became all the greater having been achieved not by any human devising.
God who fought for them will fight for us too. Let us use our weaknesses, our trials, and our struggles to rely upon the strength of God, not ours. He will provide physical and spiritual strength at times we need it (cf. Jer 9:23,24; 2Cor 12:9,10). We just need to stay focused on whose we are and leave the rest to God. He fought for the Israelites, and He will fight for us too, but obedience is the key (cf. Heb 5:8,9).
A saving faith/trust is the first step to obedience, which is synonymous with righteousness/godliness (Rom 1:5; Rom 6:16-18; cf. Psa 1). We need to believe our Father, trust Him, obey Him, and not lean unto our own understanding regardless of what may appear as insurmountable circumstances we may be called to face (Prov 3:5,6).
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2021 Reply to Valerie
8:31 Gideon refused to be king over Israel after he had defeated the Midianites. However he named the son of his concubine “Abimelech” – meaning my father is king. This is one of the things he did which were not consistent with what we might think would be Godly behaviour. However Gideon was a man of faith – Heb 11:32 – which is comforting. God realises that we fall short of even the ideals we set for ourselves. But we can still be pleasing to our Father if we continue to believe His promises. So maybe we should identify Gideon’s acts of faith rather than just notice inconsistencies in his life.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Peter
FAITH STATISTICS
How do you feel about the coming judgement? Are you confident about being in the kingdom of God? Do you really believe that God will supply ALL your needs?
Faith is an interesting thing. No matter what our social status, intellect, gender or anything else that makes us stand apart, faith in God is just as hard for each of us.
Gideon and his army marched out to battle against the Midianites. There were 32,000 people with Gideon. God said there were too many, so he ordered Gideon to take away all the people whose faith in God was wavering. "'Whoever is fearful and trembling, let him return home and hurry away from Mount Gilead'. Then 22,000 of the people returned and 10,000 remained." (Judg 7:3). More than two thirds of the men did not have faith in God.
I wonder what the proportion is like among those of us who follow the Lord today? Whatever it is now, a 30% success rate is a frightening statistic.
So whether we consider ourselves to have faith in God or not, now is the time to develop and strengthen our faith. Make a plan to be strong and courageous in faith for our God today.
Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Robert
TWO FORGETTINGS
There is a rebuke in the last words about Gideon. "And the people of Israel did not remember the LORD their God who had delivered them from the hand of all their enemies on every side, and they did not show steadfast love to the family of Jerubbaal (that is Gideon) in return for all the good that he had done." (Judg 8:34-35).
There are two forgettings side by side here. They forgot the LORD their God and all that he had done for them, and they forgot to show love to the family of Gideon. The way these two forgettings are coupled together, makes it look as though they are almost as bad as each other.
We know it is important to remember God, but by that token, it is also very important to remember the families of those who have served the Lord and blessed his people over the years - even though the people themselves might have passed away.
Who has had an impact on your life? If they are still around, take an opportunity to honour them. And if not, be a blessing to their family and honour God in doing so.
Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Robert
7:4 the word translated “try” is not the word we might expect – that is to prove them. It is a word that is elsewhere – Neh 3:8 - translated goldsmith
They were tried like gold – purified. One presume that 300 were the “purified” ones.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Peter
7:11 God is not offended by our continual need for reassurance. Life can be scary and challenging. God is patient and understanding. Gideon asked twice regarding the fleece being wet or dry (Judges 6:36-40) and he obtained reassurance in ch 7 by overhearing the dream of the Midianite soldier.
Bruce Bates [Forbes Australia] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Bruce
8:5-6 The princes of Succoth were clearly afraid of Oreb and Zeeb and doubtless felt that any help they gave to Gideon would reflect badly on them when Gideon was defeated. The inhabitants of Succoth lacked faith. They did not believe that Yahweh would deliver the Midianites into Gideon’s hand. Hence their response.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2024 Reply to Peter
7:15 Notice Gideon’s reaction on hearing the dream and its interpretation. He “worshipped God”. Is this our instant reaction when we are comforted by something we hear that allays our fears and anxieties?
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2025 Reply to Peter
v.9,10 - This picture picks up the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah, and leads us forward also to the time of the end, where the unbelieving take part in the second death. Gen.19:28, Deut.29:23, Ps.11:6, Rev.19:20, 21:8.
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
v.7 refers to unicorns. It is felt that this referred to some great wild bulls that are now extinct, but it seems that the concept is that of the great ones. So this verse is saying that the leaders and the high will be brought down with the rest of the people. No-one will escape.
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
There are a number of phrases from this chapter echoed in Revelation
Heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll
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Falling fig from the fig tree
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the smoke thereof shall go up for ever
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The 'indignation of the Lord is upon all nations' (34:2) so we see that Israel's fortunes will improve as the kingdom of this world become the kingdom of Christ.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
:8 The 'controversy of Zion' is the issue all the time. It is how nations respond to Israel that matters. Assyria, and then Babylon, came against Israel and so were punished for it. When we see a nation opposing Israel today we can be sure that in due course - in God's good time - that nation will be judged.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 Reply to Peter
34:11 The birds mentioned are all unclean.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to Peter
V.10 "none shall pass through" Edom's original offence was they would not let Israel pass through their land in peace on their way to Canaan: Judg 11:17 God here recompenses them in kind, so no traveller shall pass through Edom.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to John
V.1 We read here that the whole world is summoned to hear the announcement concerning the day of the LORD'S wrath and His punishment of the nations.(Similar to Psa 49:1) The call is worldwide and refers to the nations. Matt 25:31-34; 45-46,
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 Reply to John
V.6 When the Lord Jesus returns, He will set about redeeming His people Israel. The land (and region) will have been invaded by Gog and his confederates. The Lord, and His immortalised saints, will make His way north from Sinai to liberate Jerusalem. As He encounters the enemies of His people, on the way, He will destroy them. One such predicted encounter will be in Bozrah. Here he will crush the enemy with great slaughter (Isa 63:1-4).
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 Reply to Michael
This chapter says, in effect, that Jacob will be saved while Esau is consumed. I presume the majority of the chapter is speaking of Edom, with their naming in Isa 34:5,6. Then the blessings on Israel return in Isa 34:16,17.
David Simpson [Worcester (UK)] Comment added in 2005 Reply to David
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Peter
V.11 The LORD will wreak havoc upon the earth when He judges the nations. Isaiah describes the conditions, at that time, as one of confusion and emptiness (KJV). In the Hebrew, confusion is tohu , while emptiness is bohu. These are the same two words which are translated without form and void in Gen 1:2. Thus, we can understand the kind of desolation being described. Incidentally, the term tohu-bohu is used in French to denote commotion.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Michael
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Peter
V.2 The phrase all nations can be replaced by Edom. Edom, like Moab, was a traditional enemy of Israel. However, both Edom and Moab are used metaphorically to describe all the enemies who oppose Yahweh.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Michael
"Come near ye nations", but what is interesting that in the entire chapter there is only one nation that is mentioned. It is the nation of Edom. Bozrah and Idumea Isa 34:6, are both in Edom. Edom is such a fitting type of all nations. Esau is Edom. Esau and Edom are both red, Esau came out red, Edom is an area of red sandstone. Red stands for sin and our nature. Obadiah tells us of the pride of Edom Obad 1:3-4 and this reminds us of the nature of man. In Obad 1:15 in the middle of the chapter of God's judgements upon Edom we read,"For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen" .Edom is such a fitting example of man,his pride,his sin and soon will be judged.
Richard Snelling [Swansea] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Richard
Chapters 34 and 35 of Isaiah form one prophecy against the nations who are the enemies of Yahweh. This is a prophecy that can be applied to the end times.
V.5 Edom is not singled out here. Edom has become an epithet for all the enemies of Yahweh.
V.8 After leaving Bozrah, Jesus and His band will continue their journey to Jerusalem. He will destroy His enemies there and free the city.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Michael
Brotherly Hatred
The context of these chapters in Isaiah is the battle for Jerusalem against the Assyrian invasion. So why do we have a chapter sandwiched in-between dedicated to Edom? What's Edom got to do with the Assyrian invasion?
In 33:1 God sounds a warning: "woe to you who plunder , though you have not been plundered". Could this apply to Edom? Psa 137:7 seems to suggest that Edom rejoiced at the later destruction of Jerusalem, and Eze 35:5, 10-12 shows God's judgement on them for waiting in the wings to take the land of Israel and Judah after the people had been taken captive. So Edom were a nation who waited gleefully for Israel to be destroyed by Assyria, and that's why we have a chapter here about Edom.
Looking to the future battle for Israel, we can learn from this that although the nations round about Israel might not be the main aggressors in the final battle of Armageddon, they will still be judged for hating her. And on a personal level, Jesus repeats this teaching for us, when he speaks about hating your brother in your heart being as bad as murder (Gen 27:41, Lev 19:17, Matt 5:21-22, 1John 3:15). After all, the Edomites (Esau) were the brothers of Israel (Jacob).
Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Rob
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Charles
34:2 So the prophet now speaks of God’s judgements upon all nations. From the way in which we have seen in previous years how the language from this chapter is used in Rev 6:13,14 and Rev 16:11 we may conclude that this chapter is talking about the time of the return of Jesus.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Peter
34:10 As well as echoes the destruction of Sodom it is also similar to what Jesus teaches - Matt 18:8 - when speaking of ‘everlasting fire’.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2011 Reply to Peter
Isa 34:5 When we read of God’s sword being ‘bathed in heaven’ we should understand that His judgements will be against the people in political power.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Peter
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Peter
34:13 The “habitation of dragons” is to be replaced with a place of blessing as can be seen in Isa 35:7-8
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2014 Reply to Peter
34:17 Whilst the chapter seems to have been speaking about animals we conclude from this verse that the subject is the nation of Israel. It is Israel who will possess the land forever.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2015 Reply to Peter
1. Isa 34:1-4 - this suggests the end times when God is angry at all the nations opposing him which are symbolized by "Idumea/Edom<123>" as noted by Michael Parry in his 2008 and 2009 comments; the wrath of Christ (Rev 6:12-17;Rev 12:1-17); V4 "the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll" (Rev 6:14), "as a falling fig from the fig tree" (Rev 6:13).
2. Isa 34:5 - "my sword" is the angel wielding sword of the Lord; here "heaven" is Edom, the people of the curse; Esau was in Edom (Gen 36:1;Rom 9:7-13) which in Roman times during the first advent of Christ was called Idumea; Edom symbolizes the profane and the persecutor in Scripture (Heb 12:16;Obad 1:9-16;Psa 137:7).
3. Isa 34:5-6 - judgment against Idumea/Edom; V6 "Bozrah<1224>".
4. Isa 34:7 - "unicorns<7214>" could this refer to a wild bull that is extinct? (Psa 22:21).
5. Isa 34:8 - the future fight over Jerusalem, the day of the Lord's vengeance and the upholding of Zion at the time of the end (Isa 63:1-4).
6. Isa 34:9-10 - similar to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen 19:28), there will be destruction on the enemies of God's people at the Messianic time of the end (Joel 3:19;Rev 14:11).
7. Isa 34:11-15 - one part of Edom is burning (vs 9-10) while another part becomes the preserve of unclean wild creatures; no civilization or ordered life; V13 nettles and brambles suggest it is not fruitful but is cursed (Gen 3:17-18).
8. Isa 34:16 - seek out the book of the Lord (Acts 17:11).
9. Isa 34:17 - the angel of the Lord cast the lot for them to decide what territory should be assigned; a last days application referring to an eternal inheritance (Gen 17:7-9;Gal 3:26-29).
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2015 Reply to Charles
34:16 This chapter is speaking to the “nations” verse :1. So it is they who are commended to seek out the book of the Lord.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2016 Reply to Peter
34:8 Israel have been downtrodden for centuries. One might be forgiven for thinking that God had forgotten them. However His judgment will come. We, likewise, from time to time may feel that God has forsaken us. However we can be sure that eventually He will judge the world and bless His faithful.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2017 Reply to Peter
34:1 The nations are astray from God. We might say that they were far off. So whilst God is going to bring judgment on them His desire is that they would learn of Him and serve Him faithfully.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2018 Reply to Peter
34:5 we find similar language of God’s judgments being spoken to Israel before they entered the land – Deut 32:42
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2019 Reply to Peter
34:3 The way the record speaks of the slain being cast is seen earlier in 26:19 but from the description here it is clear that the slain bodies will be left to decompose on the ground.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2021 Reply to Peter
34:6Judgment from God on the nations, including Edom will leave the land desolate. However the animal creation will survive and continue as God planned. It is man, not the animals, which defile even though the animal kingdom is spoken of as “red in tooth and claw” implying it is destructive.
There will come a time when man will live at peace with man and in harmony with the whole of Creation. May it come soon!
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Peter
34:3 That Isa is speaking of the time of the judgment on the invader that will come from the north is clear from the way the chapter commences by speaking of judgment on the “nations”. The way the enemy will be judged and die in the land is seen also inJoel 2:20.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Peter
34:6 speaking of the sword of the Lord is an indication of judgment against Edom. But then the mention of blood and kidneys of animals is language that we find elsewhere speaks of animal sacrifices. And yes it is a sacrifice – or Edom. God sacrifice them as part of his deliverance of the children of Israel.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2024 Reply to Peter
34:13 Whilst this chapter is full of woe and destruction the scene is being set for a marvellous reformation of the land. In the same way that sin has to be recognised before repentance can come the earth will made desolate before being made like the “garden of Eden” – Eze 36:35. So the next chapter in Isaiah starts to build the picture of the restored earth.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2025 Reply to Peter
v.7-10 - Patience seems to be a theme of this chapter, and the ultimate in examples of patience is cited in the man Job, who spent a life-time of patience waiting for, and eventually receiving, the blessing from the Lord. This is to be our experience too - we must spend a lifetime being shaped for our ultimate and eternal blessing. Luke 8:15, Rom.2:7, 8:24,25, 15:4, Gal.6:9.
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
v.20 - Whilst we might choose to stir up strife by highlighting the error of others the wise man counsels is to do the opposite. [Proverbs 10:12] This proverb then forms the basis for both Peter and James when writing to Jewish brethren. [here 1 Peter 4:8]
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
Notice the emphasis upon 'patience' in James 1:3 5:7 (twice) 5:8 5:10. I suppose patience is one of the most difficult attributes to develop. Notice that patience is the lesson that we are to learn from Job - one wonders if, without the inspired comment by James, we would ever have thought that Job is teaching us patience?
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
DON'T GRUMBLE
It is so easy for us to see the faults in others when we are not in their shoes. It is especially easy to see the faults of those in leadership positions. But until you are in the same position yourself, you have no idea what you are talking about. In the wilderness the children of Israel grumbled against Moses time after time, and the result, in nearly every circumstance, was a form of judgement or condemnation that came upon them. So James picked up the lesson for us when he says, "Don't grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The judge is standing at the door."
Just as the children of Israel grumbled about their leader, Moses, so the main target of our grumbling is often the people that work hardest in our Church. But do we work as hard as they do? Do we have the responsibilities they do? Have we been given the same calling as they have? Jesus asked why we try to take the piece of sawdust out of our brothers eye, when we have a log in our own eye. Let's look at ourselves before we grumble against each other. Then let's change our grumbling to praise and encouragement for our brothers.
Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Robert
:4 The language of this verse draws on the way in which Israel were to treat their servants and those they hired to work for them
'the hire of the labourers' Leviticus 19:13
'kept back by fraud' Mal 3:5
'the cries … Sabbaoth' Deuteronomy 24:15
Brethren should understand that the way in which God works does not change. The principles he laid out under the law are just as relevant in James' day and in ours too.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 Reply to Peter
James 5:16. Scripture provides numerous examples for us of the power of prayer. We are told that the prayers of a righteous or a justified man are powerful because God hears them. Psa 34:15, Prov 15:29.
Here are a few examples.
Joshua prayed and the sun stood still. Josh 10:12-13.
Elijah prayed and the widow’s son came back to life. 1Kin 17:19-22.
Elisha prayed and the Shunammite’s son was restored to life. 2Kin 4:32-35.
Hezekiah prayed and his life was lengthened. 2Kin 20:1-6.
The ecclesia at Jerusalem prayed and Peter was released from prison. Acts 12:5,10.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2003 Reply to John
5:9 The word 'grudge' 4727 is found elsewhere. Typical translations are
Mark 7:34 sighed
Rom 8:23 groan
2Cor 5:2,4 Groan
So we see that James is warning against the attitude of mind where we might be willing to do something for our brother or sister but in our hearts we would prefer not to do it.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to Peter
V.11 Some contend that the Book of Job was an allegory and, therefore, Job was not a real person. The fact that both James and Ezekiel (Eze 14:14,20) both talk about him suggest strongly that he did exist.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 Reply to Michael
5:3That they had ‘heaped [RV laid up] treasure together for the last days’ is a sad reflection of the brethren in James’ day, however where do we stand. Jesus warns that our heart will be where our treasure is – Matt 6:21.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Peter
V.6 - when the good news isn't shared with our neighbours we are condemning them and in a manner of speaking essentially murdering them.
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Charles
V.3 - unwisely spent money (and talents) will testify against us come judgment day Matt 25:24-30
V.19 - do we do our best to rescue the flock who stray? (Luke 15:28-32) Of the two sons who is ultimately lost, the one who stayed in the meeting but perhaps was lacking in the right spirit, or the one who came back and was humble?
V.20 - are we content to not show enough love to reach out and help others on the wrong path?
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Charles
5:11So another reference to Job.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2007 Reply to Peter
5:3 Like rusting metal, their flesh would consume, but, swifter than corrosive action; "like fire" We all know that fire is a symbol of Divine judgement (Psa 21:9, Amos 5:6).
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 Reply to John
5:5 James is wring the brethren and sisters about the dangers of a selfish lifestyle, likening such a way of living to that of Israel in the days near the end of the kingdom of Judah – Jer 12:13
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Peter
not swearing by oaths - James 5:12;Matt 5:33-37- an alternative is to say "I affirm to tell the truth, I have a religious conviction against swearing."
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Charles
We are sometimes asked to pray for sick members, either at the meeting, or on e-announce, or by personal message. But James gives us two more pieces of good advice, as well as praying for those who are unwell (James 5:13,14). He says that if we are afflicted (which means to suffer evil), then we should pray. If we are happy, we should sing praises to God. This reminds me of Paul’s words, “To me to live is Christ” (Phil 1:21). This is putting Christ first, middle and last in our lives. Our life is then full of Christ.
David Simpson [Worcester (UK)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to David
V.7 Yahweh is the husbandman (John 15:1). Yahweh’s spiritual children are His husbandry (1Cor 3:9).
Vs.14,15 We can, and do, petition our Heavenly Father for the physical welfare of our brethren. However, it seems here that the sickness (weakness) referred to might be spiritual rather than physical. The last part of v.15 gives a clue: and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. The forgiveness of sins seems to be linked to the sickness.
Physical affliction in a person's life is not necessarily the result of a specific sin (longitudinally, of course, it is the result of Adam's sin). Surely, that was the mistaken notion that Job's friends had of his condition.
And so, sins can be forgiven for spiritual weakness (error in walk) if accepted by Yahweh offered through a prayer of faith.
Vs.19,20 We should make every effort to recover anyone who has wandered away from the Truth. It is a matter of life and death.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Michael
5:12 James quotes the Sermon on the Mount when he says ‘let your yea be yea and your nay nay’ – Matt 5:37
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Peter
5:17 Notice. Elijah was not praying for himself. He was praying for others. A lesson for us. Our prayers should not be self centred.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Peter
SIN, CONFESSION, PRAYER
James has a lot to say about sin. Even the way he speaks about sickness and then just merges it in to the subject of sin, makes us think that physical sickness wasn't the only sort of sickness he was talking about. The following are some of the things James says about sickness and sin.
- If someone is sick, he should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. (James 5:14)
- Prayer will make the sick person well or will allow their sins to be forgiven. (v.15)
- Confess your sins to each other. (v.16)
- When we know of someone's sins, we need to pray for that person for their [spiritual] healing, because our prayers are effective. (v.16)
- When we turn someone back from sin, we save him from death. (v.20)
- And when we turn someone back from sin, we cover a multitude of sins. (v.20)
Generally, as Christians, we keep far too quiet about our individual sins. That includes myself. If we really want healing from our sinful habits, the things that lead to eternal death in us, we need to confess our sins to one another. That takes courage - a lot of it. Perhaps we need to pray for courage so that others can pray for us, and so that our Lord can heal us from our sins. Let us find a trusted and godly person to pray for us, because their prayers are powerful and effective.
Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Robert
"...Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days."
E.W. Bullinger in Figures of Speech Used in the Bible writes: "... (theesaurizo) means simply to treasure up. In Rom. ii. 5, we have the expression 'treasurest up wrath.' So here, there is the Ellipsis of what is treasured up. We may supply 'wrath' here. 'Ye have treasured up [wrath] for the last days,' or in last (or final) days, i.e., days of extremity."
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Valerie
This is a message of warning to us upon whom the end of the Age is fast approaching.
GARMENT: Salvation or righteousness - Isa 61:3,10; Job 29:14; Rev 3:5,18; Rev 4:4. In the New Testament we are told that we are to be, "clothed in white raiment" - raiment is # <2440>, the same word translated as garment # <2440> in Matt 9:16.
MOTHEATEN or MOTH: Corrupt or corruption - Job 13:28; Matt 6:20; Luke 12:33. Moth is # <6211>, which is derived from # <6244>, and means to "be consumed."
GOLD: God's laws and commandments are better than gold - Psa 19:9-10; Psa 119:72,127 and now read Psa 119:44-48; Prov 16:16.
SILVER: God's laws and His words are better than silver - Psa 12:6; Psa 119:72; Prov 16:16.
CANKERED or CANKERWORM: To spoil, or corrode and eat up something as does rust - Nah 3:15; Joel 1:4.
James is telling us the only lifestyle that will save is to, "fling off the dirty clothes of the old way of living, which were rotted through and through with lust's illusions, and, with (y)ourselves mentally and spiritually re-made, to put on the clean fresh clothes of the new life which was made by God's design for righteousness and the holiness which is no illusion" (Eph 4:22-24, J.B. Phillips). Hence, this is followed by James' admonition when to pray, how to pray, and why pray because this is the only way we may overcome instead of being overcome!
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Valerie
"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him (fellow brother); Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."
A reader asks: “…Have a general question for you. We've been wondering how to take the verse in James 5:20. Does it mean it will cover a lot of your sins or the other person's sins. I always took it to mean my sins.”
My reply: Verse 19 speaks of a disciple gone out of the way of Truth and holiness from among the brethren. This is evident from the content of the entire epistle of James who repeatedly exhorts the brethren to live godly lives.
Verse 20 addresses the converter who in bringing the erring disciple back into the right way saves himself too, having thus covered a multitude of his own sins in so doing. Of course, this is only possible if in Christ, who ultimately is the only Saviour. We read in 1Tim 4:16: “Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.”
We may get so bogged down debating who has been covered from a multitude of sins, that we may totally miss the bigger picture! This is about the service of LOVE. “And above all things have fervent charity (agape love) among yourselves: for charity (agape love) shall cover the multitude of sins” (1Pet 4:8). James while interrelated with 1Pet 4:8 differs in that James is talking about restoration and recovery. Neither James nor Peter are saying that converting brethren from the error of their ways would cause God to forgive these erring brethren of a multitude of sins.
The covering of sin is the result of an action - agape love - by a disciple of Christ who restores an erring disciple in agape love. “Children, let us not love (agape) with word, nor with tongue, but in deed and in truth” (1John 3:18). If we walk in Biblical love, we will not seek our own (1Cor 13:5). This flows with what James and Peter are saying. It is not love to see someone sin, and not tell them. It is a matter of spiritual life and death!
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Valerie
5:10 The relevance of taking the prophets an as example of patience in affliction is precisely that they suffered persecution for speaking the word of God.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Peter
Wes Booker [South Austin Texas USA] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Wes
5:11 Heb 12:7 teaches us the God deals with us as sons if we endure chastening. So we see the force of James’ point here.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2014 Reply to Peter
J 5:11 James’s inspired comment “the end of the Lord” seems to explain Elihu’s comment – Job 34:36 – where he desires that Job be tested to the end. He is not seeking extra punishment on Job. Rather his desire is that the end point of Job’s trials would be to the glory of God.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2015 Reply to Peter
5:2 James takes up the warning that Jesus gave in the Sermon on the Mount – Matt 6:20 – when he, here, speaks to brethren who placed their confidence in this world’s goods.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2016 Reply to Peter
5:15 James is not saying that sick people will always be healed when prayers are said on their behalf. Notice the record does not say he will be healed. Rather the emphasis is that he will be “raised up”. Looking at the big picture – the resurrection.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2017 Reply to Peter
5:11 The words of encouragement given here by James draw on Jesus’ teaching – Matt 24:13 – when Jesus was warning his disciples about events prior to AD 70 which are equally valid for us today.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2018 Reply to Peter
5:13 If we are “afflicted” for what should we pray? The natural thing is to pray that the affliction would be removed. However it may well be part of God’s plan that we suffer affliction. So maybe rather we should also be praying that we will have the strength to deal with the affliction and that God’s name will be glorified through our affliction.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2019 Reply to Peter
5:9 When James speaks of the judge being at the door he is reminding his readers of what Jesus had said – Matt 24:33. This is one of the many times that James draws attention to Jesus’ teaching, particularly in Matthew’s gospel. A strong indication that Matthew’s gospel was available to those to whom he wrote.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2020 Reply to Peter
5:4 The phrase “the Lord of Sabaoth” is the equivalent of the OT “Yahweh of Hosts”. It is first found in 1 Samuel 1:3: “And this man went up out of his city yearly to worship and to sacrifice unto Yahweh of hosts in Shiloh. And the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, the priests of Yahweh, were there” (see also 1 Samuel 1:11; 4:4). Hophni and Phinehas greedily ate of the things offered: “all that the fleshhook brought up the priest took for himself” (1 Sam. 2:14). The people in James’ day were no different: “Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter” (Jas. 5:5). But just as “Samuel lay until the morning, and opened the doors of the house of Yahweh” (1 Sam. 3:15) so, “the judge standeth before the door” (Jas. 5:9).
Nigel Bernard [Pembroke Dock UK] Comment added in 2020 Reply to Nigel
5:6 in the western world we probably never consider doing violence to fellow believers – or anyone else for that matter. However it was the case in the first century that some showed violence to other believers – 2Cor 1:10.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2021 Reply to Peter
5:17-18 Whilst we might think that James has moved from Patience to the need for prayer in fact patience is still the point he is making. There was not instant answer to Elijah’s prayer. He had to show patience as seven times the servant went to look at the sky.
We might learn patience in one aspect of our life and find that the patience developed helps in other aspects of our life.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Peter
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5:4 James is not speaking in general terms. He is reproving believes for the way in which they treated their workers.
The natural way of thinking is to avoid paying for things for as long as possible. Israel were taught that such thinking was unacceptable – and the same is true of believers today.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Peter
5:1-6 The rich (v1) are probably wealthy non-believing Jews who oppressed their employees who were Jewish converts to Christ. James acts like an Old Testament prophet railing against a group of wicked people who were not present. These wealthy Jews so oppressed their employees that the employees sometimes died - something that would be unlikely in the ecclesia but likely in a tense atmosphere of Christ converts within a Jewish community
Bruce Bates [Forbes Australia] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Bruce
5:17,18 We sometimes forget that Elijah prayed for a drought to occur - and God acceded to his request.
1 Kings 17:1 hints that God may have given Elijah control as to the release from drought as well: "there shall be neither dew nor rain, except at my word". It takes courage for a brother or sister to pray for the economic destruction of the ecclesia so that repentance might occur. Elijah was certainly a strong, focused and courageous brother whose prayers were effective, even if it meant hardship would occur.
Bruce Bates [Forbes Australia] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Bruce
5:11 So we learn from the book of Job that the lo is “pitiful, and “of tender mercy” We might think that point could have been made in just a few words. However God, in His wisdom, took 42 chapters recording events in the life of a faithful man to teach the lesson. Why? Doubtless because we are slow to learn, especially when we are shown the qualities of generosity that can be seen in our Heavenly Father.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2024 Reply to Peter
5:3 We doubtless believe that we are in “the last days” before the return of Jesus. Even if we are not the judgment is no further away than the day of our death, which is unpredictable, for the next thing we will know after the day of our death will be the resurrection.
So what have we “heaped up” and how will it help us in developing a spiritual mind?
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2025 Reply to Peter