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v.1 - We tend to think of the incident on Mount Carmel with Elijah being unique, but it was not. Here was a predecessor to it. So Elijah on Mount Carmel would know that Solomon's prayer had previously been answered by fire from heaven, and he would know of the reaction it caused in the people (v.3,4)
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
The use of the phrase 'for his mercy endureth for ever' 2 Chronicles 7:3,6 echoes the frequency and use of the phrase when David brought the ark to Zion 1 Chronicles 16:34,41. There is a striking similarity between these two events. In 1 Chronicles the ark is in the resting place that Yahweh had determined Deuteronomy 12:11 and now in the days of Solomon the house that David wished to build after he had placed the ark in the tent that he had pitched for it.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
v.1 In this picture of fire from heaven consuming the sacrifice and then the glory of God filling the house, we see the work of Jesus, who came down from God, was a sacrifice and then brought God's glory to mankind by the atonement.
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
7:11 That the record notes at this point, after the glory cloud had entered the temple, that 'thus Solomon finished the house of the Lord' demonstrates that the building on its own without the presence of God was incomplete. This is typical of us. We are the temple of the living God (2Cor 6:16) but we are not complete as the dwelling place for God. This will happen when Christ returns and immortality is granted to the saints.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
7:6 So even though the order of the priests was not set up earlier (5:11) it did not take long to get things in order. Also notice that by the time the temple was in service the planning had all been put into place.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 Reply to Peter
7:10 Whilst the record here says that Solomon sent the people away on the 23rd day of the 7th month which was the last day of the week long feast of tabernacles (Lev 23:34). 1Kin 8:65-66 informs us that feasting had lasted 14 days. So the people must have gathered a week before Tabernacles.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to Peter
V.1 The cloud which was the symbol of God's presence and majesty, filled the interior of the temple. (Exo 40:35) God was always there.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to John
It's interesting that when the Tabernacle was completed, "there came a fire out from before the Lord" and consumed the sacrifices (Lev 9:24). But when the Temple was built "the fire came down from heaven" (2Chron 7:1). At the Tabernacle the fire came sideways, from the Most Holy Place, through the veil and the entrance curtain; but this time the fire came from above, from Heaven. Does this suggest that travelling, or journeys were signified at Sinai, but permanence and stability were here shown at the dedication of the Temple?
David Simpson [Worcester (UK)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to David
V.8 The time for the dedication of the temple was immediately before the feast of tabernacles 1Kin 8:1-12 which would been after the harvest, so during this festival there was time for the offering of immense sacrifices. A large proportion of these were peace offerings, which afforded to the people the means of festive enjoyment.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 Reply to John
7:10 There is a certain joy to be found in warm fellowship and worship with those of like precious faith. This is what all Israel experienced when the temple was dedicated. - but it was only a shadow of what it will be like when God tabernacles with men.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Peter
V.3 This form of prostration, lying on one's knees with the forehead touching the ground, is the manner we understand that the Hebrews express their most profound sentiments of reverence and humility.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to John
7:3 When the people said ‘for His mercy endureth for ever’ the people were recognising that the words that God had said to David were still being fulfilled through Solomon his son. This was the first real indication that God was with Solomon in building the temple.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2007 Reply to Peter
V.5 The total of 22,000 head of cattle plus 120,000 sheep and goats were sacrificed. This was a physically arduous job for the priests.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 Reply to Michael
7:22The scattering of Israel was to be seen by the nations as an evidence not only that God was at work in the lives on His people but that they had disobeyed His commandments. This, of course, should not have been a surprise to Israel. After all they knew the promises of God. However they still chose the curses of Deuteronomy 28 rather than the blessings.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Peter
Vs.12-16 What was said of the temple applies to Jesus. It is through Jesus that we can come in prayer, at any time, and Yahweh will hear our petitions. We must trust in the answer, even though it is not what we expected or hoped for.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Michael
7:6 Notice once again things are set up as David had made.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Peter
v 17-22 First Principles>Kingdom of God>Was overturned
1. The right of Israel to be called God's Kingdom was dependent on their obedience. Go to Exo 19:5 for more details.
Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Roger
V.1 Fire coming down from heaven signifies divine approval. When Moses and Aaron blessed the people, Yahweh showed His approval by devouring the sacrifice with fire (Lev 9:23,24). When Elijah challenged the priests of Baal on Mt. Carmel, Yahweh showed His approval by consuming the sacrifice with fire (1Kin 18:38).
V.2 The word glory is translated from the Hebrew word kavod. In Modern Hebrew when somebody accomplishes something, others congratulate that person by saying: col ha kavod which literally means all glory to you.
V.5 The large number of animals were sacrificed over a two-week period. One week was for the Feast of Tabernacles, and the other week was for the Week of Dedication (v.9; 2Chron 5:3).
V.7 There was not enough room on the altar to take all the sacrifices. Rather than omitting any sacrifice, Solomon consecrated a place in the middle court of the temple as a secondary sacrificial area. On what the sacrifices were made we do not know. Perhaps they were sacrificed on the stone floor as another altar would not be available at such short notice.
Vs.14,15 We have the same privilege of turning to Yahweh through the temple. Jesus is the temple (John 2:19-21). Through Jesus, all petitions to Yahweh can be made by His true followers. And, by extension, true disciples of Christ are the temple (1Cor 3:16; 1Pet 2:4,5).
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Michael
7:2 That the Glory of God entered the temple is the assurance that God had accepted the building. Whilst God in not confined to a building He set it as the focus on earth for His presence.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Peter
2Chron 7:8 - from the Northern most "Hamath" (a city in upper Syria) to the Southern most "River of Egypt".
2Chron 7:8-10 - emphasis on the number "7" which some feel suggests spiritual perfection, God's seal, God's covenant number, the day of rest, the millenial day of rest - in the 7th month (Tisri) there was a 7 day feast of dedication (8th through 15th day) followed by a 7 day Feast of Tabernacles (15th through 22nd day).
2Chron 7:14 - repentance and spiritual health would lead to forgiveness and healing of the land.
2Chron 7:16;Gen 5:32 - "name" [Heb. "shem" (8034) means "name, appellation, reputation, fame, glory, honour, monument" etc.].
2Chron 7:17-18 - the kingdom that could have been.
2Chron 7:19-22 - what would happen if God was forsaken by Israel.
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Charles
7:1 The beauty of God accepting what Solomon had done is contrasted in Rev 20:9 with fire coming down and destroying the wicked.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2011 Reply to Peter
7:8 The seven day feast was the feast of tabernacles - most fitting for the sojourning of God with Israel in “tents” was now over. A fixed building for God had been erected.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Peter
7:16 That the house that was sanctified was described by God as the place where “my name may be there” is confirmation of Solomon’s word – 2Chron 6:6 – and further confirmation that Deut 12:11 is being fulfilled in the building and dedication of the temple in Jerusalem.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Peter
It's important to note that in 2Chron 7:12-16 God confirms Solomon's prayer, offered in chapter 6, asking for the temple to be a house of prayer. The people could now pray towards this place and receive forgiveness. One such example is Dan 6:10.
Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Rob
Note in 2Chron 7:20 that God says He would uproot Israel from His land if they were disobedient to his commands. The land we know as Israel has always been and always will be God's land, regardless of whether the people of Israel inhabited it or not.
Rose Cox [Leamington Spa] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Rose
7:1 the way in which the fire came down and burnt up the sacrifice sets the precedent for Elijah – 1Kin 18:38
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2014 Reply to Peter
7:7 Notice, the number of sacrifices were not constrained by the physical capacity of the temple. There should be no constraint to the extent of our sacrifice to God. Our commitment should not be constrained by our own feelings of what we can do within the framework of the other things we would like to do which are designed to satisfy our desires.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2015 Reply to Peter
7:3 The words that the people said when the glory entered the house are the words that were spoken when David brought the ark to Zion – 1Chron 16:41.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2016 Reply to Peter
7:6 How committed are we to planning and working for things that we will never see? For this is what David did. Society teaches us to seek for instant gratification. The gospel runs counter to this. We are to look for the fulfilment of promise in the future.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2017 Reply to Peter
7:3 Whilst the smoke and the fire must have been an awesome sight it was designed for one purpose – to engender in the nation a respect for God. We often do things for show. God always does things that men might recognise Him as supreme.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2018 Reply to Peter
7:2 That the priests could not enter the temple because of the glory of the Lord echoes what is recorded in 2Chron 5:14
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2019 Reply to Peter
“If my people which are called by my name shall humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways then …” He will hear, forgive, and heal.
The level of obedience God expected from Israel, He also expects of us. He expects repentance even before we are baptized (Acts 2:37,38), because repentance and remission of sins go hand-in-hand (Luke 24:47). First Principles and Repentance must be taught together, as they go hand-in-hand, before baptism. It is to "count the cost," (cf. Luke 14:28), which is always to be done before, not after - baptism.
God asks for a higher level of righteousness that goes beyond the keeping of the “letter of the law,” or First Principles, if you will. It is possible for us to refrain from lying, cheating, stealing, and doing what we are commanded to do like render ecclesial services, attend the Memorial Meetings, etc. etc. (cf. Luke 17:7-10), but God also wants us to write the spiritual intent and meaning of His laws in our hearts and minds (Deut 11:13,18-22, cf. v. 5; Rom 2:15,29; 1Cor 2:16 and cf. Isa 40:13; Phil 2:5). Israel kept the letter of the Law, but did not go beyond it in the keeping of the spirit of the Law, and so failed in both (Isa 1:11-17; 59:1-13)!
Paul tells us God’s Law is holy, just, good and spiritual (Rom 7:12,14; cf. 8:14). Timothy tells us “all Scripture” teaches us and trains us in righteousness (2Tim 3:16,17). We need to recognize this, acknowledge it, and walk in it (Psa 119:129-160). Repentance, not just being sorry (cf. 2Cor 7:10 ), is the only acceptable foundation for forgiveness through Christ, and on which we may grow in the fullness of Christ. It is going past the outward rituals of obedience to a deep, selfless love (cf. Matt 22:36-40; Eph 4:13). It is in overcoming our flesh nature that we participate in His divine nature (2Pet 1:3-10; Rev 2:7,11; 3:21).The Lord is gracious and merciful and will not turn away from us if we turn to Him in repentance, rending our hearts and not our garments (2Chron 30:9; Joel 2:12,13; Zech 1:3; cf. 2Pet 3:9). These are the conditions!
True inward repentance brings about a conversion, a visible outward act evidenced by our behaviour (Gal 5:22,23). We must be converted (Matt 18:3; Acts 3:19). We must be “born again,” which is both by water, the physical act of baptismal immersion, and of “the Spirit,” growing in spiritual nature, a new creation (2Cor 5:17), which is a life-long journey to which we must submit if we are to have any hope of being with Christ in that day when God will make up His jewels - the jewels who truly served Him under His terms and conditions (Mal 3:17,18; John 3:3-6).
Brother Robert Roberts wrote in SEASONS OF COMFORT, UNPROFITABLE QUESTIONS, p. 114, “The ‘glorious gospel’ comprehends a call to repent from dead works. Paul puts this among first principles (Heb 6:1)… The first lesson connected with baptism is that the subjects of it, having been buried with Christ, become dead to sin, and rise to newness of life…”
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2019 Reply to Valerie
7:1 There had been tension surrounding Solomon’s coronation with other of David’s sons wanting to take over the kingdom. David had said that Solomon was God’s choice. Now a few years down the line from that time we have a further confirmation from God that Solomon was God’s choice in the way that he consumed the burnt offerings.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2020 Reply to Peter
7:8 Whilst it was the heads of the tribes who had come to Jerusalem to witness the bringing of the ark into the temple that Solomon had built the whole nation celebrated the feast of tabernacles. We can imagine that this year was seen as a very special feast as the people would know that Solomon had arranged to take the ark into the temple at the beginning of the feat. A feast to remind Israel of their journeying in the wilderness. But now the ark was at rest. A foretaste of the “rest that remaineth …” (Heb 4:9)
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2021 Reply to Peter
7:1-3 on an earlier occasion - Leviticus 10:1-2 – when sacrifices were offered (on that occasions wrongly) fire came down from heaven. So on this occasion the people must have realised that what Solomon had done was acceptable to Yahweh.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Peter
7:6 Notice the reason for praising God. It was because of His enduring mercy.
Is this what motivates us when we sing? Or do we just like the tune associated with what we are singing? Do we consider the words that we sing? Do they reflect what God has done or are they meaningless repetition?
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Peter
John 8 shows how the Lord Jesus exposed the dishonesty of the Jews. They arrested an adulterous woman. Where was the man? The law required he also be arrested (Deuteronomy 22:24). The Pharisees said the woman was taken “in the very act”. So where was the man? Or was it one of them!
What did the Lord write on the earth (v6, v8)? The day before, was the last day of the feast when a waterpot was carried through the temple. The Lord Jesus referred to this (John 7:37,38).
Finally in ch 9:9 they “were convicted by their own conscience” and left, withdrawing the charge. The answer is in Jeremiah 17. In verse v10 we are told that God searches the heart. In v15: “O Yahweh, the hope of Israel all that forsake you shall be ashamed; they that depart from me shall be written in the earth because they have forsaken Yahweh, the fountain of living waters” (John 7:38) As a result of the discussion between Pharisees and the officers, they planned the approach to the Lord in John 8.
Beulah Edwards [Christchurch West New Zealand] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Beulah
7:10 whilst we read that Solomon sent the people ot their “tents” we should appreciate that the people did not live in tents but rather in more solid houses. So why does the record say “tents”?
We learn that Abraham lived in tents – Heb 11:9 – even though the land had been promised to him. The use of tens is designed as a reminder that even though the temple was a really solid building the people were still pilgrims. Possession of the land was a future promise when the “greater than Solomon” will be king in Jerusalem.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2024 Reply to Peter
7:4In unity the ruler and the ruled offer sacrifice together. This is the unity that is expected of believers in their worship of God, their Father. Status become irrelevant
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2025 Reply to Peter
v.14 - The purity of the priestly garments was quite a theme of the law (Exo.29:4-9, Lev.8:7,13,33-35). It is clearly there that we might learn of the difference between the clothing we had in the flesh and that which we now have in the spirit (Rom.13:14, 2Cor.5:1-4)
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
42:16,17,18,19 side 7307 Heb 'Ruach' wind
:16 hundred 520 Heb 'Amah' cubit
:17, 18, 19 hundred 3967 Heb 'Meah' hundred
42:13 the mention of the 'sin offering' and 'the meat offering' demonstrates that there will be animal sacrifice in the kingdom.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
v.13 Here is another picture of Jesus - being the place that God has chosen to place his name there - he is the place where we eat the most holy things - in our case the symbols of his body and his blood in remembrance of the atonement.
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
42:13 The mention of the priests that 'eat the most holy things' builds a picture of mortal priests working in the temple that Ezekiel saw. This will be the case when the Lord Jesus returns and this temple is built.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
42:3 The 'pavement' - for you North American readers - is not the place where cars were to be driven in the temple. John 19:13 indicates the pavement was a place of judgement. The temple that is to be built is not to be a show piece. Rather it is the place from where 'the law will go out' (Isaiah 2:3)
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 Reply to Peter
42:14 Whereas there was a special place designated for the placing of the holy garments in this temple there was no similar provision in the tabernacle even though the requirement to take off and put on the holy garments was the same (Lev 16:23) .
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to Peter
V.5 It would appear that the building became narrower as it rose in height.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to John
Continuing on from comments on Chapter 40: 45,46.
Here we have the distinction of the future priesthood being developed again. Eze 42:13 is talking about the immortal "Sons of Zadok" again. We know because of the phrase "that approach unto the LORD" and also "can't eat holy things". Chapter 44:13 tells us that the " Sons of Levi" can't come near any Holy things so this verse must describe the Zadok class.
In Verse 14 however, a distinction in subject is made. Remember, the prophet is describing the duties of the future priests. The groundwork for distinction laid down earlier in the prophecy and is now up to us to unravel. These mortal priests(Sons of Levi class) go into the utter(outer) court(see Eze 44:19) being teachers of the people. Their actions will show the difference between clean and unclean(holy/unholy)Eze 44:23,. Nationally, this is indicative of taking responsibility for past sins; a requirement for forgiveness. We are told that these priest "shall approach to those things which are for the people". Ultimately, when enacted in the future...it will be a fulfilment of Eze 43:10,11("that they may be ashamed of their iniquities").
Matt Drywood [Hamilton Book Road (Can)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to Matt
There is an interesting comment in Eze 42:14. It says that the priests must change their clothes, from the holy ones in which they have been ministering to God, into the other garments in which they shall approach the people. “The people” cannot be the saints, as they (I should say, us, please God) will be completely holy. Does this prove therefore that the earthly people will come to the temple to worship the King?
David Simpson [Worcester (UK)] Comment added in 2005 Reply to David
42:13 That the priests were to eat the holy things within the temple complex teaches us something about fellowship. The holy things are to be enjoyed together with those of like faith in an environment of fellowship.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Peter
42:20 Whilst the word ‘profane’ today tends to be used of things which are actually ungodly the word <02455> translated here simply means ‘unholy’ as can be seen here – Lev 10:10 - where the same word is translated ‘unholy’
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Peter
Vs.16-20 The outer walls are set in a square. Each wall measures approximately 1 mile (1.61 km) - the total distance around the walls being approximately 4 miles (6.44 km). When Jesus returns to earth, the topography of the land will be changed to accommodate such an expansive structure.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Michael
42:15 ‘he brought me forth’ marks the point that the prophet did not measure and examine the building according to his preferences. He was shown the house in the way that God wanted him to see it. Likewise we should not form our own opinions about the ecclesia based upon our opinions. Rather we should measure the ‘house of God’ using God’s measure and instructions – the Scriptures.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Peter
V.8 It is unfortunate that the ESV says: opposite the nave, whereas other versions say: before the temple (KJV, ASV); facing the temple (NASB).
A nave (from the Latin navis meaning ship) is the central approach to the high altar in a cathedral. It is so called because the long, relatively narrow, space of the nave resembles a ship. The longest nave of all cathedrals measures 350 ft. (106 m) and is found in St. Albans Cathedral in England.
Although the term nave is appropriate for a cathedral, it is not appropriate for a Jewish temple, in my opinion.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Michael
42:14 Temple work for the priest required that they dissociate themselves from secular things – hence the change of clothes. Likewise our worship should be devoid of anxieties for worldly matters.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Peter
42:18-20 Moses had been given a ‘pattern; of the tabernacle and David the temple that was to be built. Ezekiel, by contrast, is shown the building and to take the measurements from it. Signifying that the things that Moses and Solomon saw were but shadows.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2011 Reply to Peter
1. Eze 42:13 - mentions three offerings: meat(grain) offering, sin offering, and tresspass(guilt) offering. Is this instructional for those returning from Babylonian captivity (pre-millennial) or is it Messianic millennial?
2. Eze 42:13-14 - priests (Levites of the sons of Zadok Eze 43:19-21) enter the holy places. Is this instructional for those returning from Babylonian captivity (pre-millennial) or is it Messianic millennial?
3. Eze 42:15-20 - in Ezekiel's vision there would appear to be four equal length walls surrounding what appears to be a temple courtyard of either 500 reeds (approximately 5250 feet or 1 mile Eze 40:5) or 500 cubits (approximately 875 feet) per wall.
4. the people of Israel returning from captivity ran into external and internal obstacles to completing contruction (Ezra 4:4-5;Neh 2:17-20;4:1-3;3:5;4:10-16, etc.); the walls they built appear to have enclosed an area approximately one mile square which might have been the temple court yard; if they were going by Ezekiel's plan it was only partially realized, and the glory of God did not return to it.
5. Eze 48:30-35 - the plan for the city of Jehovah<3068>-Shannah<8033> was to be surrounded by four walls of either 4500 reeds (approximately 47250 feet or nearly 9 miles) or 4500 cubits (approximately 7875 feet or nearly 1 1/2 miles) per wall; is this what should/could have been created (but wasn't) pre-millennially, or is this intended to be Messianic millennial?
6. the apparent future millennial city seems to be described as having lots of adults and children within (Zech 2:4;8:3-5).
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Charles
42:3-5 Converting Ezekiel’s words to modern speech he is saying that there were three stories of rooms, each floor having rooms which were narrower than the lower floor.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2014 Reply to Peter
The three storey galleries are the opposite of the three storey chambers around the main building. The galleries start large at the bottom and get smaller in the middle tier and smaller still at the top (v5-6). The chambers start small at the bottom and get bigger toward the top (see 1Kin 6:6)
Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2014 Reply to Rob
42:2 The size of the outer court 100 x 50 cubits matches the size of the court around the tabernacle Exo 27:9,12
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2017 Reply to Peter
42:13 In providing special rooms for the priest could eat parts of the sacrifice we see a formalisation of what we read in Lev 6:16
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2018 Reply to Peter
42 & 43 Visualising what the prophet saw is difficult. Here is a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQRegCrJHzk
which gives a 3D visual representation of what Ezekiel saw. Whilst we might not agree with all the way the temple is shown we can get a general picture
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2019 Reply to Peter
42:1-20 Moving out of the holy place Ezekiel is shown the temple chambers – he is continuing his journey out from the most holy place.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2020 Reply to Peter
42:10 Here faithful worship and associated activities are being described. This contrasts with the evil behaviour in the same sort of location – 16:25.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2021 Reply to Peter
42:13-14 When he kingdom of God is re-established there will be a number of different classes of people. There will be the immortal resurrected believers, mortal Jews and mortal gentiles. They will all be governed by God’s laws. A temple will be built and sacrifices will be offered by mortal Jews who are priests. This is the clear implication from what Ezekiel describes here and in other places. The mortal population, both Jew and gentile will have survived the terrible events that precede the return of Jesus. Those who are immortal will have obeyed God during their life.
If we hope to be in that kingdom in the future we have now, to live with God’s laws ruling us now.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Peter
42:13 The provision of rooms in which the priests were able to eat the meat of the appropriate sacrifices was a practical provision that took account of the possibility of wet weather.,
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Peter
42:13 So we learn the specific use of these rooms. We might conclude that the size was not particularly important. However Yahweh, in His wisdom specified all that was required in worship of Him.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2024 Reply to Peter
42:3 In having “three stories” this part of the building was like an element of the construction of Noah’s ark – GGen 6:16
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2025 Reply to Peter
v.11 - John's gospel plays quite a lot on this idea of Jesus not being there to judge at that time - v.15, 3:17, 18:36. Verse 16 tells us that Jesus could judge (but only righteously because of his closeness to his great witness - his Father).
Peter [UK] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
8:7 A supreme example of not seeing one's own 'mote' Matthew 7:3 is seen 2 Samuel 12:5 6
Jesus applies the same principle when confronted by Godless men who were seeking his downfall. John 8:7 - 9 We should be aware of the same principle when speaking with our brethren Galatians 6:1
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2001 Reply to Peter
8:33 How blind they were. With the Romans occupying the land one wonders what they thought - '(we) were never in bondage.' And what about the time they were in Egypt and then the Assyrian invasion. But Jesus strikes home to the real issue - they were the servants of sin and so no matter what secular state they were in they would die. We should rejoice in our freedom in Christ.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2002 Reply to Peter
Nicodemus was present at the discussions. He was introduced in 7:50. so 8:14 'ye cannot tell ... I go' in quoting John 3:8 is representing to Nicodemus things he had already heard Jesus say in private.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 Reply to Peter
8:11 There are only two places in John's gospel - here and John 5:14 where Jesus told someone to 'sin no more'
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to Peter
V.27 Even though Jesus had frequently told the Jews in plain language that he was sent by the Father (John 5:36, John 8:18) yet this fact had failed to register. So blinding is the power of infidelity and prejudice!
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 Reply to John
Vs.3-5 Jesus' detractors could not prevail against Him theologically and so they attacked Him personally. The woman taken in adultery, for example, was a set-up. If He had agreed that the woman should be stoned, then the argument would be open that His own mother, Mary, should be stoned because she was found pregnant out of wedlock.
The Pharisees asserted Jesus' illegitimacy in an offhanded manner by asserting their own legitimacy (v.41). Then, they accused Him of being a Samaritan and having a devil (v.48). The Pharisees blasphemed the Holy Spirit by accrediting Jesus' good works to the power of Beelzebub (Matt 12:24).
The accusation of Jesus' being a Samaritan was particularly low. In Jewish estimation, being a Samaritan did not scrape the bottom of the humanity barrel, it scraped the underneath. According to the Jews, Samaritans were outside the Law and therefore ineligible for the blessings of the God of Israel.
However, Jesus did liken Himself to a Samaritan. In the parable of the Samaritan (Luke 10:30-36), clearly the Samaritan represented Jesus. The (spiritually) wounded man was not helped by the Law (priest and Levite) but was helped by one rejected by the adherents of the Law (Jesus Isa 53:3). The Samaritan (Jesus) bound the man's wounds (covered his sin) and saved his life (through the atonement).
Thus, Jesus had to constantly contend with the wrongful accusations of His enemies. Throughout, He conducted Himself with wisdom and dignity, always deferring to the will of His Father in obedience (Heb 5:8).
If you would like a fuller explanation of Jesus in the role of Samaritan, e-mail me for the attachment Good Samaritan.
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 Reply to Michael
8:3 If the woman was ‘taken in adultery’ then the other party could have been brought as well. That he was not confirms that the whole event was set up to try to entangle Jesus in his words.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Peter
JUDGE NOT, THAT YE BE NOT JUDGED
It was a 1st principal of Jesus that only the man who himself is without fault has the right to express judgment on the fault of others. Only God has the right to judge. When we are confronted with someone who has made a mistake, our feeling ought to be, what can I do to help. We should feel sorry for people that lack the insight of the ways of God, and show compassionate pity as we would wish to be extended to us in the same situation. Jesus's attitude to the sinner involved a number of things:
a) It involved a 2nd chance- Jesus was always intensely interested, not only what a person had been, but also in what a person could be
b) It involved pity - Jesus knew the thrill of exercising the power to forgive
c) It involved a challenge - Jesus confronts the bad life with the challenge of the good
d) It involves warning - God's word provides a clear path in this direction. We must provide a clear path for people to learn to effectively read God's word and see the light for themselves. This story is unfinished, for every life is unfinished until it stands before GOD.
Peter Dulis [toronto west] Comment added in 2006 Reply to Peter
8:39 The claim that Abraham was their father demonstrates that when John Baptist spoke – Luke 3:8 – about the attitude of those who would not submit to baptism he actually did understand what motivated those Jewish leaders.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2007 Reply to Peter
8:42 Here Jesus demolishes the claim of the Jews; Their very actions and their attitude completely misrepresent their boast. If God was indeed truly their spiritual father as they claimed, they would of course, do his will, and love Him. Loving God, they would of course love His son. John's first epistle explains this so beautifully. 1John 5:1-3
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 Reply to John
8:14 ‘Ye cannot tell’ catches the words that Jesus spoke to Nicodemus – John 3:8 – it is likely that Nicodemus was present at this time – see John 7:50. Jesus is appealing to Nicodemus who eventually showed his belief in Jesus - John 19:39
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2008 Reply to Peter
8:15 The way in which Jesus told the scribes and Pharisees that they judged after the flesh’ catches the way that Jesus told Nicodemus – John 3:6 – that he thought. Jesus is building up an appeal to Nicodemus in this section of John.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Peter
V.20 The treasury consisted of thirteen trumpet-shaped brass collection boxes. They were placed in the outer court of the women. That whole area became known as the treasury.
V.42 Jesus proceeded forth (KJV); came from (ESV) His Father. These phrases are translated from the Greek word exerchomai which means to issue.
Jesus was the issue of His Father because Mary, His mother, was conceived by the intervention of the Holy Spirit, which is the power of God (Luke 1:35).
In no way does this verse indicate that Jesus came from His Father in heaven, as Trinitarians suppose.
V.57 Being fifty years old suggested the mature completion of service for the Levites under the Law (Num 4:47). Jesus was in his early thirties, and according to the same law had just started service.
Perhaps, the intimation, from Jesus’ detractors, was that He was a novice and not yet mature. This was a snub. But some people, when they cannot win an argument, turn to degrading their opponents personally.
V.58 Abraham rejoiced, in faith, to see Jesus the Messiah (v.56). He did not actually see Jesus because Jesus was not yet born. But, Abraham knew that the Messiah would occupy the premier place in the believers’ hierarchy. He understood that the Messiah would be greater than Him.
Jesus did not exist before Abraham as Trinitarians suppose, their erroneous belief being that Jesus and God are one.
The expression: before Abraham was, I am is a statement of hierarchy and not of time. Jesus (now) is greater than Abraham (was).
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Michael
Circumnavigating judgement
In v15 Jesus says "you judge* according to the flesh" and in v16-17 "my judgment is true... I am with the Father... the testimony of two men is true". In other words:
"You can't judge because you're defiled, but I can because I'm holy, and my witness completely agrees with the Father in every way. It only takes two witnesses to judge, so He and I are capable of judgment."
This is a scary statement.
In John 5:26-27 we read that responsibility for judgment has been passed to Jesus. In 5:22 that God judges no-one, but has entrusted it all to His son. This is also scary. What if Jesus chooses to judge us harshly?
So Jesus' words to the woman caught in adultery give us immense hope and comfort: "neither do I judge you" (v11). He was able to judge her but decided not to! Held in these words are the full force of the gospel. Though Jesus is the only one who is able to judge, and is the only one appointed to judge, he will gladly choose not to judge if he so desires. This is what he means in v15 when he says "I judge no one" and in 5:45 "do not think I shall accuse you to the Father" and 5:24 "he who hears my word and believes in Him who sent me has everlasting life and shall not come into judgment". This is our hope. Not that we shall be judged righteous by investigation of what we have done; but that we shall not be judged at all. Our hope is for a royal pardon which circumnavigates all other mechanisms of law and leaves them powerless.
* Note: "judge" and "judgment" in this chapter refer to judgment leading to condemnation, for example as in judgment in a court of law
Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 Reply to Rob
8:18 In John 3:11 Jesus had told Nicodemus that he would not accept the witness of Jesus. Jesus returns to that theme here to appeal to Nicodemus.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Peter
John 8:58 - "Before Abraham was, I am." The word "before" [Grk. "prin" (4250) according to Strong's and Thayer's means "prior, sooner, before (that), ere, formerly"]. The word "was" [Grk. "ginomai" (1096) according to Strong's and Thayers means a number of things including "1. to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being; 2. to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen a. of events; 3. to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage a. of men appearing in public; 4. to be made, finished a. of miracles, to be performed, wrought; 5. to become, be made....... to cause to be, to become, to come into being (all used with great latitude - literal, figurative); arise, be assembled, become, befall, behave self, be brought (to pass), become to pass, continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled"]. The word "am" [Grk. "eimi" (1510) according to Strong's and Thayer's means "to be, to exist, to happen, to be present.......the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic): am, have been, x it is I, was"]. This establishes Christ's pre-eminence as it chronologically puts Christ before Abraham not in the physical sense but in the sense of the divine purpose. In Gen 3:15,21 both verses infer the sacrifice of Christ with v15 a mortal blow to sin and a non permanent blow to the heal of Christ while in v21 the shed blood garments suggest being covered by Christ's sacrifice. So Christ is in the Bible before Abraham and was the first to be resurrected, was the first fruits, the first born of the new creation. Christ was "foreordained before the foundation of the world, but manifest in these last times" (1Pet 1:20) so he was foreordained in the divine purpose prior to being born or formed. Similarly, he was the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev 13:8) but literally he was not slain until his crucifixion in the time of Pilate.
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Charles
IN NEED OF FORGIVENESS
Among every group of 'righteous' Christians is a woman who commits adultery. It might not be a woman, it might be a man and the sin might be a life of violence rather than adultery, but whoever, and whatever, sooner or later the sins of one particular person will be made very public. Just like the woman caught in adultery in Jesus' time, they will suddenly find their sin exposed and themselves surrounded by a crowd all wanting blood for the crimes that have been committed.
The reaction of Jesus was interesting. The crowd surrounded him, trying to trap him in a compromising position. "But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger." (John 8:6) Some people think he was writing the names of the people surrounding him, and perhaps he was. Maybe he was even listing their sins. Then he said, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." (v.7)
Just like the woman who committed adultery, we are all in need of compassion. We are all just as guilty as one another - just as guilty as the woman caught in adultery. Would we want our sins paraded and punished without mercy the way this woman was judged? I think not. We are all in the same need of forgiveness whether our sins are 'Big' or 'Little'.
So, remembering our sins and our names in the sand, let us also have compassion on the failings of each other.
Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Robert
If we do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, we will die (v24). Our life will take its natural course and that's that. The term "in your sins" simply means that your sins have not been removed.
Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 Reply to Rob
8:12 This is the first time that Jesus says he is ‘the light of the world’ in John. The second is in John 9:5. Here Jesus is not speaking of the darkness being the adultery of the woman. Rather he is talking of those who brought her to him for judgement. They were in ‘darkness’ because forgiveness was not part of their way of thinking.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2011 Reply to Peter
DO WHAT JESUS DID
The Jews had a thing about being Abraham's descendants. They were proud of the fact that they could trace their ancestry back all the way to the great and faithful man God had chosen to be the father of his special people. God chose Abraham because he was faithful. But unfortunately, not all Abraham's descendants followed the same path as Abraham. They did not have the same faithful attitude as Abraham had.
As Jesus was describing what it meant to be his disciples and to follow God, he said this to the Jews: "'If you were Abraham's children,' said Jesus, 'then you would do the things Abraham did.'" (John 8:39) We can look quite critically at the Jews because of this statement. It was obvious that they were claiming to be something they were not.
Not many of us could trace our ancestry back to Abraham, but a lot of us claim to be Christians. If we met Jesus today and told him that "I am a Christian," I wonder what he would say to us? Would he say, "Yes, I can see that you are a Christian because you do the same things that I do - preach, care, love, and overflow with God's word in the way you live."? Or would he say, "If you were really a Christian, then you would be doing the things that I do."?
Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2011 Reply to Robert
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
Have you ever thought about what discipleship in Christ really means? W.E. Vine’s book, “AN EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY of NEW TESTAMENT WORDS” defines "disciple" as: “lit., ‘a learner’ (from manthano, ‘to learn,’ from a root math---indicating thought accompanied by endeavor)…it denotes ‘one who follows one's teaching’… all who manifest that they are His ‘disciples’ by abiding in His Word…A ‘disciple’ was not only a pupil, but an adherent; hence they are spoken of as imitators of their teacher…” (Highlight mine).
Discipleship consists of three main spheres: 1) Knowing (2Pet 3:18), 2) Being (Matt 5:48), and 3) Doing (James 1:22). It is obvious that it is not enough to say we are disciples, Christ having left us an example that we should follow in his steps (1Pet 2:21).
Jesus’ disciples asked about Scripture (Matt 17:10); they asked him about the meaning of the parables (Luke 8:9); they asked him how to live (Mark 10:10); they asked him about their failures (Mark 9:28). Shall we fare any less? We must continuously study and search for the answers to our questions, digging into the Word as one would dig for hid treasure (Prov 2:1-5), abiding in his Word in every way, if we are to abide in his love (John 15:8-10). Then, and only then, are we his disciples, indeed.
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2011 Reply to Valerie
John 8:56 Jesus was able to say of Abraham that "he rejoiced to see my day and he saw it and was glad" because through the eye of his faith he saw in the ram caught by it's horns in the thicket, the sacrifice of the Lord's providing - the Lord Jesus Christ. Abraham's experience of the test of his faith enabled him to see beyond his day to the ministry of the Jesus. The Genesis record highlights for us the sight of Abraham.
Gen 22:4“on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place afar off.” God directed Abraham to the place where the sacrifice of his “only son” (verse 2) was to take place.
Gen 22:13 “Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked…”. Abraham saw the ram the sacrifice of the Lord’s providing. How glad he must have been to see this sacrifice provided.
Gen 22:14 “called the place Jehovah-jireh…in the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.”
Abraham had seen and understood that the Lord was to provide a sacrifice and would provide the one through whom all nations would ultimately be blessed. Like Isaac and Jacob and the faithful of all the ages, he saw the promises afar off (Heb 11:13).
Peter Moore [Erith, UK] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Peter
“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
Socrates, an ancient Greek Philosopher, wrote that we could never know the truth about anything. His reasoning was if we didn’t know the truth when we started, how would we know the truth when we found it? He was right! Without Divine revelation, it is an impossible task (Col 2:8)!
The importance of knowing the truth cannot be overemphasized. It is the difference between life and death. Jesus prayed, “Sanctify them in thy truth; thy word is truth’ (John 17:17). We see from this that it is God’s truth that separates us to Him, and makes us free. Jesus, himself, the personification of truth, said he is, “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6), and that no one can approach the Father but through him.
The search for truth is a lifelong challenge because it is more than just a set of first principle doctrines. It is as Brother Robert Roberts wrote: “…but branches of the tree. The vitality of the tree lies in the root, and the root in this case is the relation of God to man.” Please note that in verse 31, Jesus says, “…If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed.” We are to seek the truth, seek to understand the truth, love the truth, and live the truth.
Man’s nature is his own worst enemy. Our flesh is a slave of sin (Rom 7:14-25), but those who belong to Christ are in his freedom, and, therefore, released from the bondage of sin (John 8:34,36). Repentance and truth are the integral parts of this plan (2Tim 2:25). Freed from sin, we are not under the penalty of eternal death (Rom 5:21), but only those who submit to God’s requirements have this hope. “Not all who profess the truth walk in it; some walk after the desires and inclinations of the natural man” – R.R. Freedom in Christ is limited to those who are led by the Spirit of God (Rom 8:14).
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Valerie
8:25 The people asked ‘who art thou?’ – not willing to acknowledge the testimony of Jesus’ actions. However after the resurrection the disciples, knowing that Jesus was indeed the Christ, did not ask the same question – John 21:12
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Peter
Jn. 8:58.
Wes Booker [South Austin Texas USA] Comment added in 2012 Reply to Wes
8:22-23 ‘Will he kill himself?’ highlights how ignorant of the purpose of God the leaders were. As Jesus said ‘ye are from beneath’
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Peter
“... If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
The word, "truth" is frequently used, but do we understand the many complexities of this one word, and how it relates to the children of God?
We have the word of truth; John 17:17; Spirit of truth, John 16:13; Christ is the truth, John 14:6; the ecclesia is the pillar and ground of the truth, 1Tim 3:15;the disciples walk in truth, 3John:4; know the truth and the truth shall set you free, John 8:32. So then, what is truth? Obviously, it is not just about doctrinal truth. Truth alone does not set us free. Knowledge of the truth without transformation of our characters will not set us free from the bondage of sin and death (John 8:51). To be in the truth, we must first believe; second, we are to continue in the word by studying the word, which has transformation power. Then and only then are we Christ's disciples indeed (cf. James 1:20-26).
Just about anyone will profess they are disciples of Christ, but do they meet Christ's criteria of true discipleship? We are to be washed, sanctified, then we are justified - in that order (1Cor 6:11). Salvation is the free gift of God, but there is a price to pay for truth (Prov 23:23)! Buying the truth costs us time and effort and that requires dedicated discipleship. We can pray for wisdom, but we have to study for instruction.
What is truth? Let me answer: When a child of God looks into the word of God and sees the Son of God, and is changed by the spirit of God into the image of God, then we have learned and have the truth of God. Imagine all these encompassing meanings from one word, truth!
We see from these passages that it is only if we compare Scripture with Scripture that we see the whole picture of what it is when we say we are "in the truth." Otherwise, it only becomes a half truth, and a half truth is not the truth. This is when we tend to take Scripture out of context and miss the whole picture and create our own truth.
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2013 Reply to Valerie
8:43 Jesus’ seeming frustration at the Jews lack of understanding is worth thinking about. He knew from his understanding of the Old Testament that they would not understand. However this did not stop him being saddened that they did not believe in him. Likewise we should not allow a feeling that people are not interested in the gospel message deter us from seeking to teach others his ways.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2014 Reply to Peter
8:21 In saying that the Jewish leaders would “die in their sins” Jesus is quoting Psa 82:7. A very appropriate quotation because the Psalm speaks of the religious leaders a “gods” – that is leaders – Psa 82:6
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2015 Reply to Peter
6:12 The gathering up of the fragments of food that remained that it “nothing be lost” is yet another quotation - Eze 34:12 – remember we have seen a number of other quotations form this area of Eze 34. The Holy Spirit through John is building a comprehensive picture of how Jesus did that which the Jewish leaders did not do and so is presenting Jesus as the good shepherd of Eze 34:23.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2016 Reply to Peter
8:40 Jesus’ stark assessment that they sought to kill him highlights a fundamental aspect of human nature. We see it all the time with politicians. If the argument cannot be faulted then the character of the person is denigrated. But this sort of behaviour is not limited to politicians or Jesus’ opponents. We can manifest it as well.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2016 Reply to Peter
8:23 The “above” from where Jesus was – that is Godly thinking – should be our position also – Col 3:2
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2017 Reply to Peter
8:44 Jesus – Luke 10:6 – had spoken of those who would support the disciples as sons of peace. Now, by contrast, the religious leaders are spoken of as children [sons] of the devil.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2018 Reply to Peter
“Then said Jesus to those Yahudahites which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed.”
There is a pronounced difference between a disciple and a disciple indeed. It was and is considered that if we learn enough to believe in Christ, we are his disciples, but by adding the word, “indeed,” Christ differentiates the one from the other and has laid out the terms of our discipleship with him. “Indeed” is alethos, # <230>, and means “truly, of a surety, of a truth.” One may be called a disciple, a brother/sister of Christ, without being one in reality!
The word, “disciple” literally means a learner, an adherent, an imitator of their Master’s teaching – AN EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY OF NEW TESTAMENT WORDS, W.E. Vine. Scripture defines true discipleship for us (Luke 6:40); likewise, Paul (Rom 8:29). “Disciples indeed” are those who continue in the word of Christ, and are willing to be bound by his teaching. They follow Christ’s teaching (Matt 16:24; 1Cor 11:1,2) even if it does not coincide with their own preconceptions, notions, and thoughts (2Cor 10:5; Col 3:16, cf. John 12:48). They love (agape) the Father and His Son and put them first no matter the cost (Luke 9:23-25; Luke 14:26,27,33). They must bear fruit and abide in Christ; his words must abide in us (John 15:1-10). They manifest love (agape) one to another (John 13:34,35). Disciples, of a surety, are doers of the Word (James 1:22). True disciples persevere, continue steadfastly, and endure sound doctrine no matter how hard (cf. John 6:60,61; Acts 2:42; Titus 2:1).
The cost of true discipleship demanded by Christ is “high” and caused many to turn away from him (John 6:66), but the rewards far exceed the cost! Trying to live godly lives will bring ridicule and persecution (2Tim 3:12-14).
Our journey of discipleship begins with full-immersion baptism (Matt 28:19,20), our sins washed away by Christ’s blood (Acts 22:16; Eph 5:25-27). Baptism is the foundation on which we are to build; it is an act of submission, repentance, rising to newness of life (Matt 3:11; John 3:7; Acts 19:4; Acts 22:16; Rom 6:3-7; Col 2:12,13). Baptism is an act of faith in surrendering our lives; we can now live for the Father (Titus 3:5-8). Studying and obedience must follow. We need to know before baptism what is expected of us after. This is to “count the cost” (Luke 14:25-35)!
We are to be committed learners, adherers (doers), and be what we have been commanded to be. If, like the many disciples, we are in it just for what we can get out of it, we won’t stick around, either, when things get really tough. Or, we may stick around for various reasons as disciples, but are not disciples indeed. Either way, we lose. Our commitment ought to be for “God manifestation, not human salvation.” Dr. J. Thomas
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” Author unknown
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2018 Reply to Valerie
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2019 Reply to Peter
8:55 It was an incredible thing that Jesus said. He said that the Pharisees standing before he did not know God! The Pharisees could either accept that what Jesus said was true and seek to know Him more or just reject what they might have seen as an arrogant comment from Jesus. They knew about God but did not know Him. This is our challenge. It is easy to know about God. This is achieved by reading about Him in the bible. However knowing Him can only come from understanding what we read about Him.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2020 Reply to Peter
8:51-52 It is essential to listen carefully to what Jesus said. The Pharisees to whom he was speaking did not listen carefully. They modified “taste” to “see”. Jesus was not saying that people who believed in him would not die, but that death would not overcome them.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2021 Reply to Peter
v7 What did Jesus mean when he apparently implied that only sinless people can execute capital punishment? No one is sinless, so all death sentences under the Law of Moses would be impossible to carry out if only sinless people could perform them. Jesus likely meant "Let him who is without sin in this matter, among you accusers, be the first to throw a stone at her". He was calling their bluff. They strongly suspected Jesus had special powers (John 3:2) and Jesus hinted that he knew of their sinful involvement in this tawdry scheme. The woman had probably been secretly set up by the accusers to commit adultery, the other party to the adultery had been complicit in this scheme and protected by them. He was therefore not dragged in front of Jesus. So if they proceeded further in trying to humiliate Jesus, Jesus could expose their sinful involvement in this scheme in front of the crowd. They feared humiliation and defeat by Jesus. So they slinked away one by one, rather than face withering humiliation in front of the very people they were trying to turn against Jesus. With their accusers gone, there was no case to answer (vv 10,11) so the woman was not condemned, but gently told to repent.
Bruce Bates [Forbes Australia] Comment added in 2021 Reply to Bruce
8:48 Clearly Jesus was not a Samaritan. The Jewish leaders knew that as they could identify Jesus’ parents and siblings – Mark 6:3 - so we might say, in today’s way of speaking, they were being racists.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Peter
A reader writes: “Greetings in the hope of Israel and all of mankind. Just had to reach out to you to thank you for the comments on John 8 section “I AM”. Truly a very misunderstood concept in the world and even the brotherhood struggles with it’s beauty.
I just love the way Hebrews opens up, declaring the excellence of Christ’s “express image of his person” (1:3) showing God’s character like Moses saw in Ex 34.”
My reply: It is very sad that there should be “struggles with its beauty” even in the brotherhood. I struggled, myself, having come from Roman Catholicism. Sadly, the belief of what Christ is really saying regarding the “I AM” became wrested to accommodate the Trinity by those who do not have the knowledge of the Truth, and while they do have a stronghold on unenlightened minds, the Word is sharper than their words (Heb 4:12).
“I just love the way Hebrews opens up, declaring the excellence of Christ’s “express image of his person” (1:3) showing God’s character like Moses saw in Exo 34,” to which I would like to add that we are to be “likeminded” with Christ (Rom 15:5,6), and to be likeminded is to be like Christ, one with him and one with the Father (John 17:21,22). It is to know Jesus and to know the Father (John 17:3). The false teaching of “I AM” is very destructive!
I pray that the section of “I AM” will be of help to those who need further clarification on this very important issue. Just reading the Bible, we would not conclude the I AM is God the Son; we get this from apostate Christianity.
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Valerie
“… This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground…” And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground…”
“… as though he heard them not.” These verses were added and omitted in several translations like the Jewish New Testament, The Aramaic Translation, Diaglott, NIV, The MOFFAT Translation, The Sacred Scriptures, etc. etc.
“The immediate context does not decipher what was written, but then early Greek Manuscripts do not contain this account. Interestingly enough, the earliest manuscripts of the Gospel of John do not contain this beloved passage. Indeed, the first manuscript to contain the story is from around 400 C.E.”
https://www.bibleodyssey.org/en/passages/related-articles/Manuscript-History-and-John/
”According to the New American Bible, (New York: Catholic Book Publishing Co., 1970) the story of the adulteress (John 8:1-11) is missing from the best early Greek manuscripts. When it does appear it is at different places: here, after (John 7:36 or at the end of this gospel [i.e. John 21:24]. It can also be found at Luke Luke 21:38.” https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Gospel_of_John/
New World Translation of the HOLY SCRIPTURES omits it altogether as an interpolation having it only as a note at the bottom of the page. It states: “The most ancient Greek manuscripts do not include John 7:53 - 8:1-11.”
Still, it was inserted, and is a brilliant example how Jesus displayed both justice and mercy having previously denounced the scribes and Pharisees in the harshest of terms. This story, for the most part, is used to emphasize Jesus’ mercy, and sadly his justice overlooked. Judgment is both justice and mercy, It is recorded that Solomon rendered “justice properly” (1Kin 3:28, The Complete Jewish Study Bible).
This scene began in John 8:2 with Jesus teaching in the Temple, a very public place, where the scribes and Pharisees came with an adulteress to trap Jesus into what they thought would be a no-win situation when they asked, “Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?” Jesus would either be pressured to agree with them, or to defy their authority, and by implication the Law of God! However, there was more to their story than told. They invoked the Law but distorted the Law by not presenting for judgment the guilty man also involved and caught in this “very act” of adultery. They passed themselves off as witnesses (cf. Lev 20:10; Deut 17:6; Deut 19:15; Deut 22:22)!
Adultery is often a very private matter, especially considering the consequences, yet they witnessed the very act! It had to have been a setup to trap Jesus, humiliate the woman, and bring charges against them publicly in front of the very people Jesus was teaching! According to the Mosaic Law, God appointed Judges to perform the judgments and penalties according to the Law (Deut 16:18,19). The scribes and Pharisees did not acknowledge Jesus as a judge, prophet, or priest, and wanted to disprove him as a qualified spiritual teacher, or Rabbi! Furthermore, under Roman Law, the Judahites lost their right to capital punishment in AD 6 when Palestine became a Roman province. The death penalty could not be executed without the approval of the Sanhedrin judges, who in turn could not give permission “without the imprimatur of the Roman prefect” (Flavius Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book XX, ch. 9).
There are a lot of suggestions as to what Jesus may have written with his finger on the ground of the Temple floor. Reference is made to Jer 17:13.The NIV, has “… Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust.” The COMPLETE JEWISH Study Bible’s footnote on John has: “Most scholars believe that 7:53 - 8:1-11 is not from the pen of Yochanan. Many are of the opinion that it is a true story about Yeshua written by another of his talmidim.”
God wrote the Decalogue on tables of stone with His finger (Exo 31:18), and in NAZARETH REVISITED, Robert Roberts, p. 349, wrote: “Jesus stooped on the ground and wrote with his finger on the stones … “According to Strong’s Concordance, “ground,” # <1093>, ge, means: “from a prim. word; soil … or a solid part…” Why Brother Roberts chose to use “stones” is anyone’s guess; it may be misconstrued that Jesus is God, especially if Exo 31:18 is cross-referenced. None of the various Biblical versions use “stones.” https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/17-13.htm/
A lesson we must truly learn as recorded throughout the Bible is that justice and mercy are based on truth, the whole truth, in order to judge righteously. “Justice and judgment… mercy and truth shall go before thy face” (Psa 89:14). This is how God judged and expected His Judges to judge. We are to judge righteously, not by appearances or human standards, which God hates (John 7:24; 8:15; Zech 8:16)! The scribes and Pharisees being hypocritical and hard-hearted lost total sight of this (Matt 23:13; Mark 3:5).
Valerie Mello [in isolation, TN, USA] Comment added in 2022 Reply to Valerie
8:59 Notice that Jesus “passed by”. The unhelpful chapter division might cause us to miss the connection with 9:1 which has “as Jesus passed by” indicating that Jesus, in avoiding the Jews was not simply seeking safety. His focus was still on helping others.
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2023 Reply to Peter
8:9There are lessons to be learnt from the way that Jesus dealt with the problem. He was not simply avoiding a difficult question. He was appealing to the minds of those before him.
How often do we reprove a fellow believer when it would be better to just highlight the bible principle and leave it for the other to reflect on his position before God?
Peter Forbes [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2024 Reply to Peter